A Protestant Speaks About The Church

 My brothers and sisters In Christ,      I was recently part of a Facebook group comment thread at Informed and Inspired Catholics. In that post, the question was asked: "Did Jesus teach the doctrine of "The Bible ALONE," aka, Sola Scriptura?     Of course we know he didn't - He couldn't. That singular idea was made up by Martin Luther. Jesus taught NO Bible at all.     However, that has stopped no one from carrying 'sola scriptura' to the extreme in our day. But it doesn't stop there.     Asking this kind of question is nearly begging for Protestants to jump in with all kinds of, well...., "unique" ideas of their own.     Below I share one such interaction. For me, it's a learning opportunity. I get to discover what some of my separated brothers and sisters have been taught, and I have the chance to shed light on their sometimes fantastic notions. Mostly it is the oft-repeated errors that anti-Catholics insist on telling themselves.     So come with me as we hear from "James Protestant," and clarify the the things that keep us apart.

 [1] James:  Catholicism used to burn people having it translations of the Bible (I copied verbatim, and I think he means translating the Bible....but you get the gist.)
They are political something the first congregations were not They were for the kingdom of the Heavens that will crush and put an end to all these Kingdoms at Armageddon.
The Catholic Church is similar to Islam...They may have actually created Islam or the ones that control the whole.


David Hutton
James ... wow... from The Church burning people for translating the Bible to it created Islam...
Did you know there were countless, distinct translations of the Bible before the printing press appeared, waaay before Protestants came along to print their own mistranslated Bibles? We are talking centuries before.
And no one was "burned" for it.
But I'd like to hear more about your claims.
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[1 cont'd] Yes, William Tyndale
[2] Also Hitler was a Catholic that was never excommunicated
[3] They disown him by their works and teach the traditions of men rather the Bible
[4] Pope kissing the Quran
[5] Promoting Gay Marriage
[6] is that that what you’re defending?

    You may have noticed that James doesn't give us much to go on - mostly references to things with no details. Unfortunately, this is often case with these scenarios.
    Moreover, these things are primarily erroneous personal opinion, and serve mostly to prove that friend James has been misled by the obstinant enemies of the Church. These people have always promoted their own "versions" of the truth, in an attempt to make themselves seem like the only "correct," pure believers.
    It's not his fault that he repeats their falsehoods 3rd or 4th hand...he has simply been taught to accept these errors as fact, without seeking the reality behind them.
    As they say, "Lies fly fast, while Truth comes limping after."

So lets take a look at these one by one....
 
[1] "William Tyndale"
    Few episodes from the past are trundled out by anti-Catholic Protestants as much as the death of William Tyndale. Any mention of the Bible in their presence seems to automatically trigger this response. And it is always some version of, "....he was murdered by the Church for translating the Bible!"
    Surprise! That's partly true - he WAS murdered.
    But the facts of his death are very far from what anti-Catholic conspiracy theorists would have us imagine. To know what really happened, go to the page at the following link and you will learn more about this AND the Bible than you could imagine:

The Bible Chained

[2] "Also, Hitler was a Catholic that was never excommunicated."

    Excommunication is a topic that very few non-Catholics should opine upon. It is complicated and exceedingly rare to find anyone outside the Church who truly understands it. In fact, plenty of Catholics are fuzzy on it.
    So let's get to the bottom of this "Hitler ex-communcation" matter.
   
What is 
Excommunication?
Excommunication is the Catholic Church’s most severe penalty. However, it isnt castigative in the worldly sense. Rather, it is a medicinal and spiritual, "wake-up call" - not a punishment or permanent banishment. Its intent is to encourage repentance, amend grave behavior, and guide the individual back to full communion. 

    The reasons for excommunication—outlined in the Code of Canon Law—involve extremely grave, spiritually damaging offenses. These are categorized into...


1. Automatic (latae sententiae) excommunications
2.
Imposed (ferendae sententiae) excommunications.

1. Automatic Excommunications (Latae Sententiae)

    These penalties take effect immediately the moment the offense is committed, provided the person knows and/or doesn't care that the act is grave and carries an excommunication penalty.
Apostasy, Heresy, or Schism: Completely rejecting the Christian faith, obstinately denying a core Catholic dogma, or rejecting the authority of the Pope. (PS for this reason, Protestants by and large are automatically excommunicated)
Procuring or Performing an Abortion: Incurred by the person who has the abortion, as well as necessary accomplices without whose help the act could not have occurred.
Desecration of the Eucharist: Throwing away, taking, or retaining consecrated Holy Communion for a sacrilegious purpose.
- Violent Attack on the Pope: Physically attacking or harming the Roman Pontiff.
Absolving an Accomplice in a Sexual Sin: A priest who gives sacramental absolution to an accomplice with whom they have committed a sin against the Sixth Commandment.   (adultery/unchastity)
Unauthorized Ordination of a Bishop: A bishop who consecrates someone else as a bishop without a papal mandate, and the person who receives the consecration.
Directly Violating the Seal of Confession: A priest who directly reveals the sins confessed by a penitent. The seal only binds the listener. The penitent himself is not restricted from revealing what they said or what the priest told them to do. 

2. Imposed Excommunications (Ferendae Sententiae)
    These are applied formally after a canonical trial or investigation, often following repeated warnings. They are declared when a Catholic commits a highly scandalous crime or persists in violating Church law, such as: 

  • Grave disobedience to Church leadership.

  • Persistent illegal activities, such as unlawfully seizing Church property or engaging in fraudulent activity tied to Church offices. 

Conditions for the Penalty
    To be excommunicated (especially automatically), strict conditions must be met. The individual must:

  • Be at least 16 years old.

  • Have full use of reason.

  • Understand and disregard that their actions would be a serious violation of Church law.

  • Act freely, without the threat of grave force or fear. 

For more specific criteria on the canonical guidelines, you can review the full Code of Canon Law Book VI or read further on Catholic.com.

So why didn't The Catholic Church issue a public decree of excommunication against Adolf Hitler? In fact, he was excommunicated from The Church. Hitler was considered automatically ex-communicated through his actions (latae sententiae). But, a formal, public decree would have triggered severe retaliatory violence against millions of Catholics and Jews.
    So the decision to not make his excommunication into a global news event was a mix of obvious canonical law, the strategic reality of totalitarian power, and the primary purpose of excommunication itself.

1. He Was Considered "Automatically" Excommunicated
    Under the 1917 Code of Canon Law in effect during World War II, a baptized Catholic who publicly abandoned the faith or embraced a pagan ideology automatically incurred a latae sententiae (automatic) excommunication for apostasy.
    Hitler rejected Catholic dogmas, completely ceased practicing the faith, and openly promoted an ideology of non-Christian, Nazi racial neo-paganism...and he wilfully murdered millions of people. These were irreconcilable with Church teaching, and the Vatican viewed him as already - and deliberately - cut off from the Church. So he WAS excommunicated, 
latae sententiae. However this was not made into a public spectacle because...

2. Massive Reprisals Were Likely
    The primary reason Pope Pius XII did not issue a public, official  declaration against Hitler was the certainty of severe backlash against the innocent. Historical precedent showed that whenever the Church openly confronted the Nazi regime, the regime retaliated violently against vulnerable populations. For example....

  • The Dutch Lesson: When the Catholic bishops of the Netherlands publicly protested the deportation of Jews in 1942, the Nazis retaliated by immediately rounding up and murdering all Catholic-born Jews in the country (including philosopher Edith Stein).

  • The Gestapo Backlash: When Pope Pius XI issued the anti-Nazi encyclical Mit brennender Sorge ("With Burning Concern") in 1937, it led to massive Gestapo crackdowns, church closures, and the arrests and killing of priests.

  • Risk to Resistance Networks: A formal papal decree would have likely forced Hitler to occupy Vatican City, dissolve the German Church entirely, and arrest and execute thousands of clergy who were secretly using Church properties to hide and save European Jews and other targeted individuals.
3. Excommunication Would Not Have Affected Him
    Excommunication is a spiritual medicine intended to cause a guilty person to experience spiritual distress and repent. Because Hitler was not a practicing Catholic and held the institutional Church in deep contempt, a formal decree would have held no spiritual weight over him.
    It would have served purely as a catalytic political statement, which would not justify the immense cost in human lives it would incur.

4. Local Bishops Did Excommunicate Nazis
    While the Pope did not issue a public, global declaration of excommunication against Hitler, German bishops took early administrative action against the movement.

  • For instance, in 1930, the Bishop of Mainz excommunicated all registered Nazi Party members in his diocese and banned uniformed Nazis from entering churches.

  • In 1931, the German Bishops' Conference expanded this, declaring Nazism fundamentally incompatible with Catholic conscience.
    However, local penalties were largely sidelined after the "Reichskonkordat" of 1933. That was a diplomatic "treaty" in which the Vatican was forced to participate, in order to prevent retaliation against Catholic churches, missions, convents, schools, hospitals, etc. under the Nazi's totalitarian regime. To have refused this treaty would have meant the deaths of countless innocent people.

[3] James: "They disown him by their works and 
teach the traditions of men rather the Bible."
    I'm not 100% 
sure what the first part means, although one would think that disowning Hitler was a good thing. However, the term, "works," is poison to most fundamental and Evangelical Protestants. They equate it with lacking "faith" and trying to buy your way to heaven. It is a convoluted theology, that can't be fully covered here. 
    But the accusation that The Church teaches, "the traditions of men" is one of the most often repeated, and it goes back to the sola scriptura concept. In short, they mean that if something is not expressly written in the Bible in exact English, as they understand it, then it is invalid and can't be done.
    But this is another manufactured notion they impose on everyone else. The Bible, for its part, says nothing of the sort; it never says that, "Bible only," is in effect. This makes it extremely odd that they wield this weapon against others...since it is not even in the book they seem to worship. 
    In fact, The Church has always taken its teachings from both Scripture and the Sacred Tradition that GAVE us the Bible. Both work together like hand and glove. But the anti-Catholic Protestant lacks divine tradition before the early 16th century (and most far less), so he has only the Bible and thinks it is all there is - so he cannot grasp any other connection. 
    And if we are honest, there are a great many things that Protestants do and have done in their own growth that aren't expressly written in the Bible. For just one example, go to this link and have your ideas challenged about The Church and Protestantism...

Its Not Biblical!

[4] James: Pope kissing the Quran

    My first reaction to this is, "So? I kiss my dog on the head now and then - that doesn't mean I am breaking trust with my wife."
     But, to be fair, I didn't have much knowledge about this, so I did some research on it. 
    And it is true. Pope John Paul II did kiss a copy of the Quran on May 14, 1999. It was 
as a spontaneous gesture of profound cultural respect and interfaith solidarity toward a visiting Iraqi delegation. The action was NOT an endorsement of Islamic theology, but rather, a pastoral sign of goodwill during a period of intense global and political tension.

The Context of the Event

  • The Meeting: The Pope hosted an audience at the Vatican with a delegation from Iraq. The group included both Christian and Muslim leaders, notably the Chaldean Catholic Patriarch of Baghdad, a Sunni administrative president, and a Shi'ite imam.

  • The Gift: At the end of the meeting, the delegation presented the Pope with a copy of the Quran as a formal gift.

  • The Action: Upon receiving the holy book, Pope John Paul II bowed slightly and kissed it.

The Reasons Behind the Gesture
- A Sign of Mutual Respect: In Middle Eastern and various religious traditions, kissing a highly revered object or gift is a common sign of deep respect. The Pope used the gesture to show that he valued the God given dignity and humanity of the people who offered it, while not endorsing their faith, per se. That is, in fact, what all Christians are called to do.
Solidarity with the Iraqi People: At the time, Iraq was suffering under strict international economic sanctions, and the threat of war was rising. By honoring the delegation’s holy book, the Pope aimed to broadcast a message of compassion and peace directly to the citizens of Iraq.
Commitment to Interfaith Dialogue: A major theme of John Paul II's papacy was building bridges between different world religions. He consistently emphasized the God-given, divine dignity of all humanity — irrespective of religion - rather than focusing solely on doctrinal conflicts and hatred of others for their faith.
    Again Christians are called to bring others to Christ in conversion and change  – not to condemn them for how they believe prior to that conversion.

Reaction and Criticism
     As you might expect, the gesture sparked intense debate. Many praised it as a historic breakthrough for Christian-Muslim relations. However, it upset traditionalist and conservative Catholics...and obviously our friend, James.
    Critics argued that kissing the text was confusing or inappropriate, given that Islamic theology explicitly denies core Christian dogmas like the divinity, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
    Defenders and Catholic scholars note that the action must be viewed in the same context as the Pope's lifelong habit of kissing the ground when arriving in a new country - it was a symbolic expression of love for the people, the humanity of Iraqi's, but not an alignment with their specific beliefs.  

[5] James: "Promoting Gay Marriage"
    This is one of the more ludicrous modern claims against the Church, made all the more so since it is very easy to verify.
So let's be clear:
    T
he Catholic Church does not now, or ever, promote or recognize gay marriage under any circumstances. Its teachings strictly define marriage as a holy sacrament that can only exist between one man and one woman.

1. The Theological Definition
    The Church’s stance is rooted in its interpretation of scripture and natural law, which dictates that marriage has two core, and inseparable, purposes:

The Unitive Purpose:
The total, lifelong commitment and self-giving between a man and a woman.
The Procreative Purpose: Being naturally open to the transmission of human life.

    Because same-sex unions cannot fulfill the biological procreative requirement, the Church teaches that they cannot be considered, "in a marriage".

    It may be a joining of two persons, in a committed relationship - but that does not make it a sacramental marriage
    The Church has no authority to alter the definition of sacramental marriage. It views marriage as a divinely instituted reality as described in Scripture, rather than a humanly constructed social contract. Here is another example that the Church adheres to, and teaches Scripture.

2. The Distinction of "Fiducia Supplicans"

    Recent confusion often stems from a December 2023 Vatican document called Fiducia Supplicans.
What it is:
    A guideline allowing priests to give brief, spontaneous pastoral blessings to individuals in same-sex relationships who ask for God's help. That is the same blessing that can be given to any other human being who asks for God's help and blessing. It simply clarifies that mono-sexual indivuals are not excluded from such blessings.
What it is not:
     However, it is
not an endorsement of the relationship status of these individuals.
Strict Boundaries:
     Likewise, the document explicitly forbids these blessings from mimicking a wedding ceremony, utilizing any official liturgy, or happening in tandem with a civil union. It explicitly reconfirmed that the Church's traditional definition of marriage remains completely unchanged.

3. Pastoral Care vs. Doctrinal Approval
    The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) mandates that men and women who experience same-sex attraction must be treated with, "respect, compassion, and sensitivity" as children of God. This is the same compassion that all Christians are to give to all human beings in the sight of God.
    However, it firmly separates this pastoral requirement for kindness and charity from the approval of same-sex sexual activity or marital unions, both of which it views as contrary to biblical restrictions against sodomy, fornication, and Church law.
    The CCC also goes on to say that those with same-sex attractions should practice chastity, a deep adherence to God's natural law, and live a chaste life in accordance with the Scripture.  

[6] James: "Is that what you’re defending?"
Absolutely and un-apologetically


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